New car! Focus ST

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New car! Focus ST

Post by turboplz » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:24 pm

Just picked her up today! I'm digging it so far, it's just going to take some adjusting to get used to that electric power steering assist!Image

Still have the XR in the garage. I think I'm going to do a modular swap over the next 5 years or so with my son and see how he enjoys it. Overall plan is in ten years when my daughter is old enough to drive, she will get the Focus and if I can trust my son, he will get the XR (maybe not with the v8, lol).
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Re: New car! Focus ST

Post by Father Adam » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:53 am

Beautiful! Enjoy my friend :cheers
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Re: New car! Focus ST

Post by John Brennan » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:58 am

My wife has the electric steering in her Fusion-- works fine. Felt great on Highway 1 north of San Francisco, so that's a good enough test, I think!

Congrats, may it serve you long and well. :cheers
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Re: New car! Focus ST

Post by Grayson » Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:40 am

There are several XR owners that have picked up Focus STs at this point, including myself, Joe, and Wyatt for starters. I love mine for daily driving, especially after having the motor/trans mount TSB done. The XR makes a FAR better race car, but the ST is really nice on the streets.

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Re: New car! Focus ST

Post by milehighXR » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:03 pm

Nothing to get used to on the electric steering. I have it in my Fiesta SE, and it's no different than the old hydraulic system IMO. Wish I had looked closer at a Fiesta ST though, I really wanted one of those. Next time I guess...
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Re: New car! Focus ST

Post by Bob Weir » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:04 pm

What is "electric steering"? What are the advantages over "mechanical steering"?

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Re: New car! Focus ST

Post by milehighXR » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:59 am

Lower weight by not having pump, hoses, or hydraulic rack. More MPG(and HP) by not having parasitic loss from driving the pump, of course these are logical assumptions...

I haven't looked at it yet, but the system in my Fiesta must be set up as a manual rack with electric assist. The owners manual specifically states that if the electric assist fails, i can still steer the car, just with greater effort...
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Re: New car! Focus ST

Post by John Brennan » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:40 am

I'll try to snap and post a pic of the Fusion unit here soon...
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Re: New car! Focus ST

Post by Grayson » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:38 pm

milehighXR wrote:Lower weight by not having pump, hoses, or hydraulic rack. More MPG(and HP) by not having parasitic loss from driving the pump, of course these are logical assumptions...
If you look at the motor that's attached to the rack, you might not believe there's any weight to save over a hydraulic setup. Plus, what you gain by eliminating the parasitic pump you may lose in driving the alternator harder. The electric PS motor draws a decent amount of current.

I suspect Ford went to EPAS because it's easier to package than the hydraulic system, the installer need only connect an electrical connector rather than attaching high-pressure hoses and adding hydraulic fluid, and most importantly, they can now vary the steering effort anytime. Now they can provide more assist at low speeds to help you get though the parking lot, and then decrease the assist at speed. There's no more compromise, and it makes for a great drive.

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Re: New car! Focus ST

Post by John Brennan » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:21 pm

turboplz wrote:I'm fairly certain mine is going back in next week to have the steering looked at. After a few minutes of highway driving, when you make small corrections coming off center, the steering wheel "gives" and jumps to the direction you were correcting towards. Then you quickly try to make another small correction and it does the same thing, "gives" then jumps. It is kind of nerve wrecking on the interstate.

I've researched this issue and apparently it isn't one of a kind. Many people have reported that it is a bad steering rack/controller. After a new rack is installed, the problem goes away. Talked to the dealership about it today and they said to give it a week and if it isn't gone, they will give me a loaner car and work on it until they cure it issue.
Say WHAT? As if such a thing can "cure itself," and if it did, that it's not of grave concern to have steering control? I don't THINK so... :BS

Edit: Oh, boy, here we go with the "out of sequence" posting, wherein my response appears ahead of the original post..?
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Re: New car! Focus ST

Post by turboplz » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:28 pm

I'm fairly certain mine is going back in next week to have the steering looked at. After a few minutes of highway driving, when you make small corrections coming off center, the steering wheel "gives" and jumps to the direction you were correcting towards. Then you quickly try to make another small correction and it does the same thing, "gives" then jumps. It is kind of nerve wrecking on the interstate.

I've researched this issue and apparently it isn't one of a kind. Many people have reported that it is a bad steering rack/controller. After a new rack is installed, the problem goes away. Talked to the dealership about it today and they said to give it a week and if it isn't gone, they will give me a loaner car and work on it until they cure it issue.
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Re: New car! Focus ST

Post by John Brennan » Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:20 pm

After peering under the hood, and behind the engine of the Fusion, it's obvious it isn't going to photograph very well. It looks somewhat like an electric motor/alternator/starter motor, affixed to the top of the steering rack on the passenger's side. The shaft appears to run parallel to the rack, and there's a couple of substantial wires going to it.

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Re: New car! Focus ST

Post by CV12Steve » Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:19 pm

turboplz wrote:I'm fairly certain mine is going back in next week to have the steering looked at. After a few minutes of highway driving, when you make small corrections coming off center, the steering wheel "gives" and jumps to the direction you were correcting towards. Then you quickly try to make another small correction and it does the same thing, "gives" then jumps. It is kind of nerve wrecking on the interstate.

I've researched this issue and apparently it isn't one of a kind. Many people have reported that it is a bad steering rack/controller. After a new rack is installed, the problem goes away. Talked to the dealership about it today and they said to give it a week and if it isn't gone, they will give me a loaner car and work on it until they cure it issue.
I noticed the same symptom in a Focus I rented. Didn't bother investigating but told agency on return. That was the only Focus/Fusion/C-Max I noticed it on, of many I've rented over the last 1½ years.
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Re: New car! Focus ST

Post by turboplz » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:50 pm

Took her up to the dealership today. Looks like a new steering rack is going to be installed! Keeping my fingers crossed that this solves the issues!
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Re: New car! Focus ST

Post by MercMike » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:41 pm

I have an SE. The electric steering is not comparable to the XR's Rack and pinion set up. I have a 6 speed auto that is also jumpy and will jump into down shift mode when on mountain down hills in cruise mode. so you have to find neutral which opens the gate to the reverse danger.
The brakes and turning abilities are superior in every way. Visibility has gone down hill too.
It does not feel as good as the XR for sure. Dumbed down with too much computer BS for my tastes.
I would rather control my own car. But all the new cars seem over done/legislated to me. The Caddy I tried was the same,
too big, computer every thing. for over $50K, I would buy old cool first.
A/C, cruise, auto & power windows is all I really to have for a DD any way.
BUT! That looks like fun ! Good Luck
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