Type 9 (T9) Short Shifter Options
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Type 9 (T9) Short Shifter Options
Looking at potentially replacing the stock shifter in the T-9 Scorpio, it seems there's a couple options...
1) A kit that modifies your existing shifter for around $20
https://www.burtonpower.com/quickshift- ... qs03k.html Quickshift gearlever kit: Type 9 5 speed Ford Sierra QS03K
Original Fitment:
Ford Capri Mk3 1.6/2.0 02/1983-1986
Ford Capri Mk3 2.8 V6 11/1982-1986
Ford Granada Mk2 1983-1985
Ford Granada/Scorpio Mk3 1985-1988
Ford Granada/Scorpio Mk3 4x4 1985-1988
Ford P100 1987-1993
Ford Sierra 1.6/1.8/2.0/2.3/2.3D 1983-1988
Ford Sierra XR4i 1984-1985
Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.8 V6 1985-1988
Ford Transit Mk3 1985-1988
Ford Type 9 5 Speed Gearbox
(Also referred to as a 'Type N' gearbox in some workshop manuals)
Ford’s first RWD 5 speed box was based on the 4 speed Type E and features a cast iron main case with alloy tail housing. This gearbox is the most commonly used for 5 speed conversions on older vehicles, not just for classic Fords but for other classic makes such as MG and Triumph as well as kit cars. A 4wd version of this box was also available and was fitted in early XR4x4 and Granada Mk3 models.
Oil capacity 2wd: 1.9 litres
Oil capacity 4wd: 1.25 litres (plus 0.5 litres in transfer box)
Standard oil grade: 75W90 semi-synthetic
Input spline: 1" x 23
Output spline: 25
2) A complete replacement shifter for around $50 to $150 (seems there are a couple different ones)
http://www.mattlewisracing.co.uk/produc ... gear_lever
5 Speed Type 9 Gearbox Rose Jointed Quickshift Gear Lever Ford Escort MK1 MK2 Capri Sierra
Product code: MLR.UK/FOR
Product weight: 1000 grams
Web Price: £39.98
Quantity:1
Product description
MLR 5 Speed Type 9 Gearbox Rose Jointed Quickshift Gear Lever
Suitable For:
Ford Sierra 5 speed Type 9 Gearbox
Type 9 Gearbox only
Not suitable for 4 speed or V6
Spec:
Lever Length: approx 250mm (bottom of gearbox flange to tip)
Gear Knob Thread: M10x1.5
This is the ultimate gearlever for Fords Type 9, 5 speed gearbox. It has the positive feel, no slop action of the rose joint along with a shortened throw between gears for faster shifting & less missed gears - Especially the across the gate 2nd to 3rd shift.
If the lever is for road use it is recommend the rose joint is kept packed with grease otherwise the lever assembly can be quite noisy - it will buzz/rattle with engine vibration.
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Note that it indicates for the complete shifter that it is NOT suitable for the V6. Any idea why this might be the case? I didn't notice any difference between the T-9 shifter used in the XR vs. the one in the Scorpio, but maybe I didn't study it enough?
Unlike most of the after-market T-5 shifters, I don't see that any of the T-9 shifters have any provision for positive stops, correct?
1) A kit that modifies your existing shifter for around $20
https://www.burtonpower.com/quickshift- ... qs03k.html Quickshift gearlever kit: Type 9 5 speed Ford Sierra QS03K
Original Fitment:
Ford Capri Mk3 1.6/2.0 02/1983-1986
Ford Capri Mk3 2.8 V6 11/1982-1986
Ford Granada Mk2 1983-1985
Ford Granada/Scorpio Mk3 1985-1988
Ford Granada/Scorpio Mk3 4x4 1985-1988
Ford P100 1987-1993
Ford Sierra 1.6/1.8/2.0/2.3/2.3D 1983-1988
Ford Sierra XR4i 1984-1985
Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.8 V6 1985-1988
Ford Transit Mk3 1985-1988
Ford Type 9 5 Speed Gearbox
(Also referred to as a 'Type N' gearbox in some workshop manuals)
Ford’s first RWD 5 speed box was based on the 4 speed Type E and features a cast iron main case with alloy tail housing. This gearbox is the most commonly used for 5 speed conversions on older vehicles, not just for classic Fords but for other classic makes such as MG and Triumph as well as kit cars. A 4wd version of this box was also available and was fitted in early XR4x4 and Granada Mk3 models.
Oil capacity 2wd: 1.9 litres
Oil capacity 4wd: 1.25 litres (plus 0.5 litres in transfer box)
Standard oil grade: 75W90 semi-synthetic
Input spline: 1" x 23
Output spline: 25
2) A complete replacement shifter for around $50 to $150 (seems there are a couple different ones)
http://www.mattlewisracing.co.uk/produc ... gear_lever
5 Speed Type 9 Gearbox Rose Jointed Quickshift Gear Lever Ford Escort MK1 MK2 Capri Sierra
Product code: MLR.UK/FOR
Product weight: 1000 grams
Web Price: £39.98
Quantity:1
Product description
MLR 5 Speed Type 9 Gearbox Rose Jointed Quickshift Gear Lever
Suitable For:
Ford Sierra 5 speed Type 9 Gearbox
Type 9 Gearbox only
Not suitable for 4 speed or V6
Spec:
Lever Length: approx 250mm (bottom of gearbox flange to tip)
Gear Knob Thread: M10x1.5
This is the ultimate gearlever for Fords Type 9, 5 speed gearbox. It has the positive feel, no slop action of the rose joint along with a shortened throw between gears for faster shifting & less missed gears - Especially the across the gate 2nd to 3rd shift.
If the lever is for road use it is recommend the rose joint is kept packed with grease otherwise the lever assembly can be quite noisy - it will buzz/rattle with engine vibration.
---------------------------------------------
Note that it indicates for the complete shifter that it is NOT suitable for the V6. Any idea why this might be the case? I didn't notice any difference between the T-9 shifter used in the XR vs. the one in the Scorpio, but maybe I didn't study it enough?
Unlike most of the after-market T-5 shifters, I don't see that any of the T-9 shifters have any provision for positive stops, correct?
Brad
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Re: Type 9 (T9) Short Shifter Options
I have no experience with those parts. However on a 95 Acura I made a short shifter setup and liked the feel. It was a "deep" style aluminum shifter knob I took off another car I had at the time. I think it was a copy of the dc or mugen/spoon type r style. Maybe 4 inches long but the threads were only the last inch. Then I removed almost a half inch of threaded oem shift lever and cleaned up the treads. All together it looked and felt way way shorter. Keep you from smashing your knuckles on the dash when you shift.
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No. 2: The link you have there appears to be the same, or similar to the "Comp" shifter I got from BAT years ago (I believe it's what Burton Power sells/sold and is from Quaife). If this is the same, this is one of the best modifications I ever made to my car (I replaced the shift rail nylon bushing also), I actually wish I would have saved the money and kept the T9.
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Re: Type 9 (T9) Short Shifter Options
This is the one that stands above the rest, as everyone who's had one seems to say.jasonty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:14 pm No. 2: The link you have there appears to be the same, or similar to the "Comp" shifter I got from BAT years ago (I believe it's what Burton Power sells/sold and is from Quaife). If this is the same, this is one of the best modifications I ever made to my car (I replaced the shift rail nylon bushing also), I actually wish I would have saved the money and kept the T9.
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Re: Type 9 (T9) Short Shifter Options
I used the #1 type (got it off of eBay in the early 2000s). Wasn't a dramatic change, but was a transformative one. Made the car much easier to shift and live with as a daily driver. I actually forgot I had put it on till I read browsing through and found this post.
Re: Type 9 (T9) Short Shifter Options
It feels fantastic but makes a tremendous racket. The 2.3 seems to hit the shifter's resonant frequency right at 2800-3k rpm, and it makes a very loud rapid metal to metal clacking. Changing the spring (if possible) might alter that.John Brennan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:43 amThis is the one that stands above the rest, as everyone who's had one seems to say.jasonty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:14 pm No. 2: The link you have there appears to be the same, or similar to the "Comp" shifter I got from BAT years ago (I believe it's what Burton Power sells/sold and is from Quaife). If this is the same, this is one of the best modifications I ever made to my car (I replaced the shift rail nylon bushing also), I actually wish I would have saved the money and kept the T9.
Also before doing any short shifter make sure the little interface bushing in the T9 that the thing mates with is not worn. That makes a huge difference.
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Re: Type 9 (T9) Short Shifter Options
Right, and I question if they would even be necessary. The T5 is a hard shifting, fairly unrefined transmission, made even more so with a short shifter. It is not conducive to finesse in shifting. You have a tendency to yank it into gear, and people have snapped the aluminum shift forks inside in doing so.DPDISXR4Ti wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:55 am Unlike most of the after-market T-5 shifters, I don't see that any of the T-9 shifters have any provision for positive stops, correct?
The T9 is an easier shifting unit and if I remember right does not use aluminum forks.
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Re: Type 9 (T9) Short Shifter Options
My 89 T9 shifts pretty nice. I can shift fast and shift whenever I want (higher rpm) with no shift disengagement issues. It doesn't vibrate at high speeds or have weird resonance frequency. My other merkur has some of those issues but is still pretty drivable. The T9 sort of reminds me of a manual in an old nissan truck. Not rubbery like a toyota truck or tercel, not precise like a crx or prelude or integra, not quick but notchy like a bmw, and not dump truck feeling like a 3 speed jeep. I think I'm just going to keep the power conservative (aka no holset) while keeping radial street tires and the stock open diff. And hope it never grenades itself.
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Re: Type 9 (T9) Short Shifter Options
If indeed the T9 forks are steel/iron, indeed there might be less of a need than the T5. But does the short-shifter make it any easier to find the gears? My wife has had that complaint with the T9 Scorpio. At least it wouldn't be as "buzzy" with the 2.9 Vs. the 2.3.
Brad
Re: Type 9 (T9) Short Shifter Options
I would say you should definitely check the condition of the saddle bushing then. The T9 never struck me as sloppy or vague with a good bushing in it. Mike Oyler sells them.DPDISXR4Ti wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:28 pm If indeed the T9 forks are steel/iron, indeed there might be less of a need than the T5. But does the short-shifter make it any easier to find the gears? My wife has had that complaint with the T9 Scorpio. At least it wouldn't be as "buzzy" with the 2.9 Vs. the 2.3.
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Re: Type 9 (T9) Short Shifter Options
Mike told me there was a cheap trick to get rid of the buzzy feeling. You use a whole tube of that urethane stuff (caulk gun) and fill all the voids in the trans mount.
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Re: Type 9 (T9) Short Shifter Options
I'm trying to picture this without going to look for a spare shifter in the garage. Does it attach on the shifter side or in the transmission?
Brad
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Sits on the shift rail and the fork of the shifts sits on top
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Re: Type 9 (T9) Short Shifter Options
Andy is talking about the rubber trans mount that mounts to the crossmember. You can fill the voids between the rubber and metal with urethane.
It will take care of the tailhosuing / shifter level vibes. Cheap effective way to have a new "heavy duty" trans mount. Trade off is that you may feel vibrations elsewhere now.
Same low budget trick works well on the factory diff mount too.
It will take care of the tailhosuing / shifter level vibes. Cheap effective way to have a new "heavy duty" trans mount. Trade off is that you may feel vibrations elsewhere now.
Same low budget trick works well on the factory diff mount too.