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Post by XR4Timan » Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:45 am

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Good price, eh? Wonder what I can sell my Cosworth for, using his warped pricing scale?

OH also seems to have a crack problem...

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Post by MerkXRTurbo » Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:51 am

Yeah, I've looked that car over a couple times (online, of course). At first I thought it might be ABM, but since it's an '88 it has to be sandgold.

The value of these cars are rising FAST!!! 5K is still a little high, but we are seeing more and more XRs selling for that much.
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Post by John Brennan » Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:58 pm

Good! Whether he gets it or not, things like this DO affect the value of our cars. Any frequent visitor to these pages knows that I think we as a community have done much to keep the values down, which is NOT a good thing when it comes to insurance, parts and supplies, and the overall appreciation for the marque.
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Post by Ghost » Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:15 pm

I'm kind of glad to see people asking what the cars are really worth. I'm really tired of everyone expecting to pick up a nicely modded XR for under $1000.
Like John said - it certainly helps to prove the value of nice cars to the insurance companies.
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Post by turbofan » Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:27 pm

um... why do we want the insurance companies to think our cars are worth more? isn't that the opposite of what we want? :?
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Post by Ed Lijewski » Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:51 pm

Cuz when they're smashed/totalled, we want full reimbursement for inherent value. Capiche? :wink:

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Post by turbofan » Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:59 pm

ahhhh.... i see...

but if it's a low value, and they total it, you get the money and then buy the car back for beans. then fix it with the money they gave you...

with a richer car you've got richer premiums...
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Post by Ed Lijewski » Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:35 pm

You haven't heard yet the moaning, groaning and sobbing that occasionally is articulated here or on IMON when someone suffers, or incurs/causes, a "total" in which they had put good sums of money, time and love. The lyrics go like this: My car was easily worth (X) K$ but the appraiser valued it a ~2K$ (if lucky).

Too many people want to have it both ways: low/lowest possible premiums, coupled with highest coverage and valuation for repairs or replacement.

Unfortunately, the insurance companies have got their numbers. :wink:

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Post by XR4Timan » Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:58 pm

Ghost wrote:I'm kind of glad to see people asking what the cars are really worth. I'm really tired of everyone expecting to pick up a nicely modded XR for under $1000.
Like John said - it certainly helps to prove the value of nice cars to the insurance companies.
C'mon, $7k??!! I'll sell you a Cosworth for that much!! No Merkur (w/ Kelley Blue Book under $1000) is worth that! Or pretty much any 80s car for that matter (Buick GN, 10 sec stangs, exotics not withstanding).

If you still think THAT Merkur is worth that, then please....pass the crack pipe!! :lol:
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Post by John Brennan » Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:30 pm

Not saying it's worth seven grand, but I'm definitely saying our cars (in good shape) are worth more than the $500-$1,000 so many on here think they are worth. Really low numbers like that WILL result in more cars being totalled. Not everyone has the wherewithal to rebuild a smashed car, and then of course you have a salvage title, etc.

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Post by Mike McCreight » Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:03 pm

(ahem..) One did sell VERY recently for $12,200. Worth every cent. Too bad the Cosworth can't be sold, eh?
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Post by KingpinCEO » Sat Dec 24, 2005 2:06 am

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he's just tryin to make some money. let him live.

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Post by Ghost » Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:26 am

XR4Timan wrote:
Ghost wrote:I'm kind of glad to see people asking what the cars are really worth. I'm really tired of everyone expecting to pick up a nicely modded XR for under $1000.
Like John said - it certainly helps to prove the value of nice cars to the insurance companies.
C'mon, $7k??!! I'll sell you a Cosworth for that much!! No Merkur (w/ Kelley Blue Book under $1000) is worth that! Or pretty much any 80s car for that matter (Buick GN, 10 sec stangs, exotics not withstanding).

If you still think THAT Merkur is worth that, then please....pass the crack pipe!! :lol:
No, I probably would not pay $7K for that particular car. However, I don't really care what KBB says - as far as I'm concerned KBB was created to allow insurance companies and dealers to rip people off legally.
I know that I would not sell my XR for anything near $7K. I've had 2 serious offers of $10K for my car and I didn't even consider it. Then again, I know that I have a lot more than that sunk into my car.
BTW, no offense (I do like the cossies) but for $7K I could build an XR that would wipe the floor with a $7K cosworth, considering that for $7K you most likely will get a very close to a stock cossie.
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Post by XR4Timan » Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:26 am

Ghost wrote:BTW, no offense (I do like the cossies) but for $7K I could build an XR that would wipe the floor with a $7K cosworth, considering that for $7K you most likely will get a very close to a stock cossie.
That's right. You can build a Merkur that for $7k kicks Cossie butt. But that's only because you can buy a Merkur for less than $2k. If a typical Merkur sold for $5k, then you wouldn't be able to. Factor just a T5 conversion alone, will wipe out half of your remaining $2k budget.

Perfect example is Taryn's car. Her Merkur will kick Erik's Cosworth (and most other Cossies I know of). However she did spend a pretty penny on that drivetrain. I'm betting more than what Erik bought his Cosworth for.

But a hi-po Merkur does not a Cosworth make. If you were offered $10k for your Merkur, I would definately sell it, becuase to most people (including most Merkur owners) it won't be worth it. The market unfortunately doesn't sway that way (as it would, say a Mustang or GN).

Also do keep in mind that a stock Cosworth is only $1000 away from being a Stage 3 Cosworth producing over 320hp at the wheels. No offense, but more than what your car produces and will have the looks to boot. And the resale value.
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Post by XR4Timan » Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:38 am

Mike McCreight wrote:(ahem..) One did sell VERY recently for $12,200. Worth every cent. Too bad the Cosworth can't be sold, eh?
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I'm not selling my Cosworth. The Cosworth I speak of is any one of the Sapphire Cosworth in England that sell for that much. My Cosworth is not for sale. Cheapest Cosworth-powered car for sale in this country (in driveable order) always goes for over $10k, sometimes $20k. Cheapest Cosworth in Britian sells for 2800 pounds (or $5k). It's usually ridden with rust and running problems for that price. That's a Sapphire. Cheapest 3dr Cosworth in England goes for usually 4k pounds. Roughly over $7000 for a rusty one. Expect to pay $12000 for a nice one. So obviously one in America will not be any cheaper. If anything, more expensive. Roger in Canada was selling his white 3dr Cosworth for over $20k.

I do know a person who paid $12k for a Merkur not to long ago. He has regretted it ever since and has dumped the car. It had only 22k on the odometer and was the most beautiful stock Merkur I ever seen. I was in it, and it was sweet. There are Merkurs worth every penny over $7k but the one I posted is DEFINATELY not one of them.
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