Interest In, Appreciation of Merkurs Growing?

General discussion relating to club happenings and items related to Merkurs in general such as "Merkur sightings". If you just signed on, please feel to start a new thread and introduce yourself here. Posts specifically regarding either the XR4Ti or Scorpio should go in those specific forums. Feel free to make suggestions on improving this forum here as well.
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Post by Khobin~ » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:09 pm

Maurice S wrote:Also...is there any such thing as an unmodified XR?? If ever interest does spike WAY up there, fair bet that you could start a shop to bring them back to stock....so hold on to them old BCS's etc LOL!!
...Due to monitary constraints, yes there is...mine, hehe.

It's definately a funny bred a car, and fairly recently had an encounter with a guy around my age, 25, that actually knew what it was. I ran into a lube place for an oil change, since I didn't have a garage or anything to do it myself, and the one manager guy actually knew what it was, when he poped the hood like everyone in the shop crowded around to take a look, it was kinda funny to get that sort of attention. :headbang
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Post by emmettlodge » Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:08 pm

Up until last week, every time I'd mention the car I was working on, i'd mostly get a lot of "huh?'s, "oh..."s and "I didn't know you liked Merkury's".

Then last week I had the car rolled out of the garage cause I was cleaning up tools, and the UPS guy came by with something and IMMEDIATELY recognized it, nearly pissed himself he was so enthusiastic. Made me happy :D

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Post by worked_xr » Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:14 pm

I agree we're seeing some developing interest in these cars. The comments about boomers pushing musclecar prices insane is an insightful one from the sense that they all but put any muscle, or even psuedo-muscle car out of the price range of the basic grassroots enthusiast market. What does that leave for enthusiasts without deep pockets? It leaves imports, '80s turbo cars, and oy-ro trash (like us and VWs and Saabs).

Essentially, now that the generation or 2 after the boomers are coming to the age in life where they can afford to have a "toy", they're looking for cars they can afford and that have some sort of retro value... the kinds of cars they wanted or admired but couldn't afford at the time... VW GTIs, XR4Tis, Supras, Conquest TSIs, SVOs, turbo Saabs, etc.

What we may learn from history is this is exactly how the muscle car boom started in the late '80s. If that is any indicator, it may be a way of predicting the trajectory of our cars (and similar) in the future. Heck, SVOs, Supras, Shelby Dodges, and others are already showing "collector" interest and imcreasing values. I personally believe we're already seeing rising turbo 4 Mustang, XR, and Turbocoupe prices because of rising SVO prices.

The good news is that real value escalation is still a ways off, which means cheap project and parts cars are still available. The bad news is that XRs are ending up in junkyards way too often... :cry:

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Post by Khobin~ » Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:58 pm

worked_xr wrote: The good news is that real value escalation is still a ways off, which means cheap project and parts cars are still available. The bad news is that XRs are ending up in junkyards way too often... :cry:
Now all I gotta do is hermetically seal up my Merk somewhere for about another 10-15 years and then cash on having a stock XR... :notworthy
..Nah, it's just too fun to take it out on the road, and to the local meets to see the puzzled looks it attracts. :bounce
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Post by Maurice S » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:39 pm

I drove my Mazda MP5 down to KY for a road trip and adjusted to the 130 hp where I would have to plan far advance to sneak up on left lane bandits etc....today I was a little late for work and saw a slot about 300 yds down and just nailed it...BIG braking event as I shot to 115 and reached for another gear because SURELY it could not be 5th....DUH...it's great to be the roll on KING!!! again...
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Post by yottabit » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:59 pm

I was born in 1989 and I'm a huge fan of the 80's sports cars. I grew up loving the foxbody mustang, and now I have the merkur and I know only a few people who knew what it was before I told them. Right now all my friends are in doubt that this thing is fast (or that it actually runs) so once spring comes around I'm sure I'll have a lot of wow-ed friends. And maybe even a few fellow Merkur owners. I think pretty much every pedestrian I have driven by has spun around and gawked at my car trying to figure out why it sounds like a taxying jet, and there have only been a few people that had the subtle smirk on their face who I knew have seen the light of turbos. :twisted:

It seems like around here, if someone buys a fast cheap relatively unknown car, theres a poser out there that will buy one too.

Honestly I bought this car because it already had a lot of mods done to it, and didn't have too horrible rust for an '88 here in New England. Unfortunately it does have a little frame rust. :oops:
"Your car has cancer", my dad told me.

But now its become a lot more than that, and I really respect the car, except for the damn differential which I know I'm going to break someday.

I've been spending most of my time looking at it and working on it and it makes me happy. I can't wait until its inspected and I can actually get driving time in it.

I don't have much money, but as we speak tomorrow I'll be ordering a 3" cat and some adapters... the future looks bright!

I decided I'm fabbing up my own exhaust from the DP back, I'm decent at welding and have a MIG welder so why not. I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to do 3" because I can hardly find any 3" supplies around here. I already have an excess of 2.5" so I'm kinda torn. Oh well!

Happy Merk'ing to everyone

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Post by Scruffdog73 » Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:20 am

John Brennan wrote:Well, that's why the other day when some guy posted about finding a very pristine '89 (think it was over on MerkSport) and wanting to know what mods to start making on it, I said wait a minute; if you found one fresh and unscathed as you say, please consider not modding it out-- consider the car's true value and rightful place in history.

Some of the really clean ones should be preserved.
I could'nt agree more John...It compelled me enough to actually sign in and respond...

We just got a car from a kid down south past Comiskey Park. and being a Chicago car, I could'nt believe how "ok" it actually was...I think the car has a total of 8" of rot-out in the pass rocker, and that's all....smashed drivers' fender, blown motor, thrashed inside...etc.,

What makes this one interesting, is it's a Stratos Silver '85, solid roof, 5 spd, man window, heat-seat delete car...A bare bones deal...Kinda reminds me of the early sixties Belvidere/Coronet platform. The 426 Max Wedge cars w/ the radio/heat/etc., delete cars...No frills, ALL thrills.

I'm FRANTICALLY searching all the goodie stashes for factory correct parts for this thing;

-Factory correct throttle body w/gooy sno-globe looking Ford emblem? check.

-Little foam jobby for the drivers fender-rear to complete the cowl seal? check.

-Plastic circular clip that holds the fuel lines apart back at the fuel filter? check.

....and am currently searching the McMasterCarr catalog for a "factory appearing" wire tie *with wings* for the Al. AC line as it passes over the bracket that hangs on the false firewall, middle-rear of the engine compartment. After the first VC gasket change, this thing is history..but I have a broken one to match...Wish me luck :D!

This car will be the star attraction for Carlisle '08.

In the most recent Haggerty Insurance *replacement value* guides, the prices are slowly, steadily, rising. Would they cover, or total? Diff issue, but it's nice to get SOME appreciation, somewhere :) To me, the model situation of comparision would be the mid-to-late 80's Dodge Omni GLH...Try finding even a JUNK one for under $1,500 bux. No dice.

Most importantly, it's peeps like this kid above me. If there's more and more young guys like him, that actually take the time to understand and appreciate the car, there's nowhere to go but up...

Keep getting the word out!

Jim
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Post by Natehow » Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:09 am

I have actually had someone tell me the engine was made by mazda and it wasnt a turbo.. sometimes you just have to let someone think their right and move on fast as possible.
the local autozone is really getting to know us well and one of the employees with a neon tried to race my dad on the highway when she ran into him heheh. she got smoked but really appreciates the car and loves the whole turbo thing. my friends think i am crazy but do like the car quite a bit.

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Post by John Brennan » Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:46 am

Well, you've got a commendable amount of restraint! Naturally, "the moment" isn't always there, but it's fun to edumacate the unwashed... :twisted:
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Post by 1lowscort » Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:27 pm

i love showing people they are wrong...its great...
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Post by El Diablo » Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:06 pm

I had an experience yesterday that fits this thread.

I shop manager where I had my XR worked seemed really excited to se it. He couldn't stop talking about it and how when they(Merkurs) were "The" car of the time. When I told him of the few fun times I've had with it, he was loving it. Hopefully I'll run into more "excited" people out there.
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Post by Natehow » Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:35 pm

funny thing about the uneducated people i used to try to make them understand but they are usually so stupid it just isnt worth the waste of time. unless you just show them underneath the hood :).
sometimes i wish that i could just put them in the driver seat and unleash their inner beast if they have an ounce of love for cars and driving in general they will get hooked like my dad and i did instantly

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Post by Austin » Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:04 pm

I for one enjoy owning a car that is almost the same age as I am :) My car is an 88, so ive got 2 years on it still.
Most people I encounter don't know much about it, but anyone who recognizes the car loves it. I was talking to the owner of a local "speed shop" located near my job. He knew what it was and I told him my future plans for the car (450RWHP). His response was that I should "sell it and buy a 5.0 mustang, because they have so much more potential." My car is mostly stock and the majority of 5.0 mustangs I've come across seem to have the potential to fall ten carlengths behind out on the highway:P
I think the recognition of the MErkur has grown quite a bit, but with all of these kids now who think that a turbo 4 cylinder car is a NEW concept, our old dinosaurs will probably be overlooked yet again. Most younger people would rather pay $30,000 for a turbo car, then rescue one from a boneyard and build it to greater hieghts, just because it isn't a neon or an STi

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Post by Rocky Leitch » Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:28 pm

Sorry. You get to rerad old news, but that was why the xr4ti was on my toy list. It is different. I also like knowing I have the power to get out of the way, when it's needed. Pitty,I smile when I leave others, behind because they just do not know what they are up against. Rocky
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