AWD conversion $$$$?

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AWD conversion $$$$?

Post by Choochoochoo » Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:46 pm

I know the parts are out there, but what I dont know is how much it'll cost to convert my xr to an awd beast... Anyone have any "prices" for the needed parts? I'm just trying to decide if it's something I really can afford to do.
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Re: AWD conversion $$$$?

Post by hEaT » Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:59 pm

Contact JohnV. He can get you an AWD MTX75 box and all the bits to go with it. I don't know what the options are to keep the 2.3 or if the best/cheapest way is to go with a YB and all the 4x4 running gear.
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Re: AWD conversion $$$$?

Post by Choochoochoo » Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:58 pm

Awesome, thanks!
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Re: AWD conversion $$$$?

Post by merkurdriver » Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:43 pm

4x4 YB engine MT75 trans + other stuff I'd say $6000-$7000 just to get your foot in the door.

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Re: AWD conversion $$$$?

Post by sil80redtop » Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:55 pm

You can buy an 02 WRX for less. I'd suggest that route.

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Re: AWD conversion $$$$?

Post by Camaro5690 » Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:40 pm

sil80redtop wrote:You can buy an 02 WRX for less. I'd suggest that route.
But who wants to drive an 02 WRX?
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Re: AWD conversion $$$$?

Post by John V » Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:42 pm

sil80redtop wrote:You can buy an 02 WRX for less. I'd suggest that route.

If you want a car with an engine with a know weak cast iron crank, weak rods which bend with boost do-able on a stock turbo, cast junk pistons, the longest belt in the world which sometimes break the bolt for the tensioner, a glass tansmission in all except the 6 speeds, a rear differential that is smaller than the front Ford diff, a bodyshell so cheesy that it is laughable above all this:
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Then--- OK a Subaru is just perfect...

But I've built several EJ20 turbo Subaru motors--did it good. One guy won PNW region Rally Points leader...

I know what barely marginal junk they are if driven with any vigor...

They GO quite well.
And its fine if you don't have to live with the ever growing pile of broken crap....

Shirely you must be familiar with the details of the EJ engine family and what and how the YB contrasts with..
How can you then being so familiar with both say that?
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Re: AWD conversion $$$$?

Post by John V » Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:47 pm

merkurdriver wrote:4x4 YB engine MT754x4 trans + other stuff I'd say $6000-$7000 just to get your foot in the door.
A fully rebuilt YBG---the stronger 4x4 block and head---with a good "0" "0" crank, new guides new springs, new pistons real full proper rebuild---and with a YB of any sort, its not a motor to cut corners on----will cost a bit more than $7000.. It has gotten to the point that it appears that it would be better to sell these 3 i have overseas---even with the sea freight.... Zero-zero cranks alone are now over $1600.. 4x4 blocks similar...
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Re: AWD conversion $$$$?

Post by merkurdriver » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:23 pm

My $6-7k estimate was for a pile of (well) used parts. Rebuilt stuff and "perfect" used parts obviously more $

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Re: AWD conversion $$$$?

Post by sil80redtop » Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:00 pm

John V wrote:
sil80redtop wrote:You can buy an 02 WRX for less. I'd suggest that route.

If you want a car with an engine with a know weak cast iron crank, weak rods which bend with boost do-able on a stock turbo, cast junk pistons, the longest belt in the world which sometimes break the bolt for the tensioner, a glass tansmission in all except the 6 speeds, a rear differential that is smaller than the front Ford diff, a bodyshell so cheesy that it is laughable above all this:
Image

Then--- OK a Subaru is just perfect...

But I've built several EJ20 turbo Subaru motors--did it good. One guy won PNW region Rally Points leader...

I know what barely marginal junk they are if driven with any vigor...

They GO quite well.
And its fine if you don't have to live with the ever growing pile of broken crap....

Shirely you must be familiar with the details of the EJ engine family and what and how the YB contrasts with..
How can you then being so familiar with both say that?
I've had a WRX and an STI, never had a single issue with either, other than the paint peeling on the hood scoop(GR) and the door handles(GD). I've been the proud owner of an XR that has been on jackstands 99% of the more than 2.5 years I've owned it. It emerged from the garage once in Oct. 2014, only to crack a piston on it's 5th autocross run. I'd trade it for a WRX in heartbeat.

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Re: AWD conversion $$$$?

Post by Choochoochoo » Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:21 am

I've had subarus, I want something different...... So I got a xr. Not many people in my area even know they ever existed. The awd would be nice to have in the winter so I can actually drive my car.. So my next question, why do I need to use a YB motor? Is it not possible to keep the Lima and still use the awd components?
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Re: AWD conversion $$$$?

Post by hEaT » Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:59 am

Choochoochoo wrote:I've had subarus, I want something different...... So I got a xr. Not many people in my area even know they ever existed. The awd would be nice to have in the winter so I can actually drive my car.. So my next question, why do I need to use a YB motor? Is it not possible to keep the Lima and still use the awd components?
What transmission would you bolt to the 2.3 to have AWD? Why can't you drive the XR in the winter? Proper diff and snow tires?
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Re: AWD conversion $$$$?

Post by Choochoochoo » Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:10 pm

This last snow we got in Colorado produced about 1 1/2 feet of snow, and more in drifts.... The car is a little low and tends to get high centered. I'll probably end up looking at lsd rear ends soon, and I'm going to get the snow tires, eventually... I'm going to be out for a month so I won't be driving for awhile, should be able to get em when I get back... I just kinda want awd in something other than a Subaru.... But I guess I can just do a possi and some awesome snows for now....
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Re: AWD conversion $$$$?

Post by hEaT » Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:15 pm

Choochoochoo wrote:This last snow we got in Colorado produced about 1 1/2 feet of snow, and more in drifts.... The car is a little low and tends to get high centered. I'll probably end up looking at lsd rear ends soon, and I'm going to get the snow tires, eventually... I'm going to be out for a month so I won't be driving for awhile, should be able to get em when I get back... I just kinda want awd in something other than a Subaru.... But I guess I can just do a possi and some awesome snows for now....
I won't tell you what to do with the car...but I would just recommend a beater snow car for those very bad storms. I'd hate to ruin the great RWD balance on this car for the nice months, just to make it a snow car. Just my $.02. It'll be a lot cheaper too to just grab a Jeep for the snow.
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Re: AWD conversion $$$$?

Post by In XS 7 » Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:33 pm

hEaT wrote:
What transmission would you bolt to the 2.3 to have AWD? Why can't you drive the XR in the winter? Proper diff and snow tires?
X2, Why you can't drive it on snow? look at this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erKgr0crkWg
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