Manual sunroof conversion
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Manual sunroof conversion
Has anyone converted the power sunroof to manual operation, using the XR crank handle. My understanding is that the spline pattern is the same, so it shouldn't be that difficult. Remove motor, drill hole in center of trim, install crank handle, done?
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Re: Manual sunroof conversion
Yes / No / sort of. I've seen the Scorpio power stuff stuck in an XR, so rational thought leads me to believe the manual XR stuff would transfer over to the Scorpio in a similar manner. The glass / tracks / etc. are the same between both cars, but its the length of the splined gear thats different.
It really could be as simple as your thinking - remove the motor, drill a hole in the cover and attach an XR crank handle.
If it turns out to be not that simple, have no fear as many European Scorpios had a manual crank roof so the parts are out there and there is even a cover that allows the crank handle to fold up into the console just like on the XR.
It really could be as simple as your thinking - remove the motor, drill a hole in the cover and attach an XR crank handle.
If it turns out to be not that simple, have no fear as many European Scorpios had a manual crank roof so the parts are out there and there is even a cover that allows the crank handle to fold up into the console just like on the XR.
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Re: Manual sunroof conversion
Yea, I know people have put the motorized Scorpio stuff in the XR, so I too was thinking it shouldn't be too tough to go in the opposite direction. Along the same lines, I would consider going with the manually operated HVAC from a Euro car, but that's clearly a bigger project. I know Dimitri was considering it at one point but I'm pretty sure he never got it done.
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Re: Manual sunroof conversion
Only Ghia versions had electric sunroof; CL/GL had hand cranks.
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Re: Manual sunroof conversion
I've used a xr crank to adjust sunroof in my Scorpio. I removed the motor and track assembly for a thorough cleaning and lube. It takes a bit of effort to move the sunroof with the crank. I don't remember anyone mentioning having sunroof "motor" problems.
Why do you want to delete motor?
Why do you want to delete motor?
Re: Manual sunroof conversion
Yeah, what Bob said. If the sunroof is slow, use an XR handle to manipulate it so you can thoroughly clean and lube. If it's stuck you are going to have to soak it or trash it.Bob Weir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:38 am I've used a xr crank to adjust sunroof in my Scorpio. I removed the motor and track assembly for a thorough cleaning and lube. It takes a bit of effort to move the sunroof with the crank. I don't remember anyone mentioning having sunroof "motor" problems.
Why do you want to delete motor?
If I remember right (I may be wrong here) the XR tracks are identical, will bolt into the scorpio, and the motor will bolt on.
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Re: Manual sunroof conversion
The sunroof is a little slow and sometimes needs help getting into place. So maybe a good cleaning and re-lube is a better first attempt, but I do like the idea of manual operation regardless.
Brad
Re: Manual sunroof conversion
The only difference is the spindle gear. I've been wanting to convert my XR to a power moonroof, but am still trying to find a good tray and replace the entire unit rather than just the gear.
I imagine the easiest solution going the other way would be the opposite. Grab an XR tray and put it in the Scorpio. You'd also need to replace the overhead console.
I imagine the easiest solution going the other way would be the opposite. Grab an XR tray and put it in the Scorpio. You'd also need to replace the overhead console.
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Re: Manual sunroof conversion
Some more details on this. I have removed track assemblies from both a Scorpio (motorized) and XR (manual crank). They are identical with one exception. The splined shaft is a bit shorter on the Scorpio version vs. the XR4Ti. (pic below) The piece that houses the splined shaft appears to be riveted in place, so R&R isn't cake.
The question I have is this.... On the (Euro only) manually operated sunroof, is the long or short splined shaft used? My ultimate plan is to get the overhead plastic trim piece from Europe somewhere, but so far I haven't been able to track one down.
The question I have is this.... On the (Euro only) manually operated sunroof, is the long or short splined shaft used? My ultimate plan is to get the overhead plastic trim piece from Europe somewhere, but so far I haven't been able to track one down.
Brad
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Re: Manual sunroof conversion
Tried mounting the sunroof assembly from a XR into the Scorpio. It sorta fit, but not quite. There's a couple minor differences, mostly notably the front assembly which won't allow the XR assembly to fully get down in place in the Scorpio. So the Scorpio assembly went back in, at the moment un-powered. I've got a spare motor, so I may try that one instead for now.
That said, I've not fully given up on having a manually operated sunroof in the Scorpio. If it turns out that the track assembly is the same between power and manual Scorpios, I'll still be on the lookout for a plastic trim console and crank from a Euro Scorpio.
That said, I've not fully given up on having a manually operated sunroof in the Scorpio. If it turns out that the track assembly is the same between power and manual Scorpios, I'll still be on the lookout for a plastic trim console and crank from a Euro Scorpio.
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Re: Manual sunroof conversion
To each his own, call me crazy, etc; but I'm pretty sure that whilst furiously cranking open my sunroof, driving, shifting, and so forth, I've never said to myself, "Gee, I'm sure glad I don't have to just push a button for this!"
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Re: Manual sunroof conversion
I replaced the power switch [no light] with an illuminated window switch. Now much easier to find the switch at night.
Re: Manual sunroof conversion
You might want to check out MKI(94-00) ford Mondeo sunroof covers/hardware. Looks pretty similar I think
http://www.mirez.co.uk/Sunroof.htm
http://www.mirez.co.uk/Sunroof.htm
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Re: Manual sunroof conversion
Similar but different.cmouta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:35 pm You might want to check out MKI(94-00) ford Mondeo sunroof covers/hardware. Looks pretty similar I think
http://www.mirez.co.uk/Sunroof.htm
The urgency of this project backed off a bit tonight when I got a "new" sunroof motor donated to our cause. On closer inspection I could see that the original had been repaired, and not well. I suspect there was a voltage drop, causing a very lazy motor. The new one moves the glass quickly and it doesn't get hung up anywhere.
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