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Re: Another Oil Pan thread.

Post by Matt01 » Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:32 pm

What do you mean by dry fit mike?
Like when you install a gasket without adding any silicone?

Screw the gasket, only "the right stuff" this time

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Post by merk23literturbo » Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:28 am

If you don't use a gasket, the oil pickup might hit the oil pan and impede the flow which Ford designed. I looked one time while building a motor and it is very very close.
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Re: Another Oil Pan thread.

Post by Matt01 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:45 am

ya i looked, and without a gasket ( or sealent) the oil pickup does not touch the pan. Should be fine, but Ill keep my eye on the oil pressure gauge.

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Re: Another Oil Pan thread.

Post by Mike McCreight » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:14 pm

Matt01 wrote:What do you mean by dry fit mike?
Like when you install a gasket without adding any silicone?

Screw the gasket, only "the right stuff" this time
Yup. BTDT and got the sticky fingers.. Learned the hard way to test fit stuff.
Still forget or get sloppy sometimes.
Good thing I don't do this for a living...
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Re: Another Oil Pan thread.

Post by Choochoochoo » Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:52 pm

Had the same thing happen with one of my valve cover gaskets. Some high quality stuff right there.
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Re: Another Oil Pan thread.

Post by Matt01 » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:08 pm

Yep, got it all back together.. Still leaks

this joke isnt funny anymore, its impossible its this difficult to change gaskets.

2 oil pan gaskets, a silicone seal, and a new rear main seal. still leaks.


Tomorrow Ill put die in the oil, drop the transmission to see exactly whats leaking now. If its the rear main seal, Ill try the SKF style (lip and spring) instead of the Fel Pro type, and Ill silicone the rear main bearing cap..

Anything else to know?

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Re: Another Oil Pan thread.

Post by Matt01 » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:56 pm

also, i took the time and checked the manual, it did not mention to remove the rear cap when you install a RMS.
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HOWEVER, it seems that if you already have it apart, then it would be necessary to put the sealant.
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Re: Another Oil Pan thread.

Post by Mike McCreight » Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:47 am

Just a note from my "swiss cheese" memory...
NAPA has (had?) a common sleeve that fit the crankshaft where it contacted the RMS.
Dunno if this helps, maybe someone else with more experience in this are will chime in.
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Re: Another Oil Pan thread.

Post by Matt01 » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:06 pm

Yes! Mike, SKF makes them, its called redi-sleeve or something. Should only be necessary if the crank is scored where the gasket contacts it.

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Re: Another Oil Pan thread.

Post by Dangie » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:07 am

A Speedi-Sleeve works well or check out Race Engineering as they sell an offset 1 piece rear main seal for the 2.3. Since the stock main seal runs along the same spot on the end of the crank, it can slowly form a groove so even with a new rear main seal it will still leak. The offset seal eliminates the need for a sleeve.

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Re: Another Oil Pan thread.

Post by Matt01 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:35 pm

^good to know, thanks for the info!


So I have some good news. I have not checked thoroughly for an oil leak yet, but I changed gasket brand on my oil pan. I tried 2 Fel Pro gaskets and they both leaked. Now I used a Victor Reinz and it seems leak free.

If ever it does leak, I ordered a new OEM pan from Jeff, just to rule out a defective Spectra oil pan.

For RMS i ended up going with Fel Pro again, the classic style lip and spring. It seems so far so good.

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Re: Another Oil Pan thread.

Post by alexob53 » Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:50 pm

Matt,
Just wondering if you used the seal installation tool outlined in the service manual or if you made due without it? Thanks.

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Re: Another Oil Pan thread.

Post by Matt01 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:06 pm

alexob53 wrote:Matt,
Just wondering if you used the seal installation tool outlined in the service manual or if you made due without it? Thanks.

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I did it without it, 99% of people dont use in correct installation tool. I used a very large socket to try and evenly knock it in.

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Re: Another Oil Pan thread.

Post by merk23literturbo » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:40 pm

I did it without it, 99% of people dont use in correct installation tool. I used a very large socket to try and evenly knock it in.
The tool aligns the lower cover properly so that the seal isn't being pushed off of the crank. The tool isn't really to install the seal, it's to align the lower cover. It might leak if the seal isn't centered. You can't align the seal, you align the cover.
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Re: Another Oil Pan thread.

Post by Matt01 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:16 pm

merk23literturbo wrote:
I did it without it, 99% of people dont use in correct installation tool. I used a very large socket to try and evenly knock it in.
The tool aligns the lower cover properly so that the seal isn't being pushed off of the crank. The tool isn't really to install the seal, it's to align the lower cover. It might leak if the seal isn't centered. You can't align the seal, you align the cover.
seems like it would only be necessary if you remove the rear bearing cap then, which you do not have to do to change the rear main seal.

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