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The Merkur Club of America Forums • Springs
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Springs

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:02 pm
by Choochoochoo
I already have a set of mc2racing springs on all corners, the rear is fine, but the fronts just arent quite where i want them to be. Are there any other options for front springs, or will i have to go with the coil over setup? Id really rather stick with the stock coil setup if possible.

Re: Springs

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:59 am
by John Brennan

Re: Springs

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:18 am
by Choochoochoo
Guess i couldve been a little more specific. I dont want to lower the car, but i want a stiffer spring. I already have the 200lb springs, and theyre just not quite stiff enough. Are there any other options to retain stock ride height and stiffen up the spring rate?

Re: Springs

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:59 pm
by John Brennan
They have a variety of heights and rates, if you don't see what you want, give 'em a shout.

Re: Springs

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:27 pm
by andyofcolumbusmerkur
Custom spring rate ones and re-valved konis.

Re: Springs

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:24 pm
by Matt01
agreed, MC2 distributes for their spring manufacturer. I think its hypercoil or something like that. Im sure they can order you what you want.

Re: Springs

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:56 pm
by Grayson
I've got a set of 300s on the shelf that install like stock...much like the 200s you have. However, they're better suited for XRs with heavier front ends...such as those with a V8 conversion. They would cause the front end of your car to sit 1" higher than it currently does. I don't know if that ride height is amenable to you, especially if it would take your car from "stock" to "rally", but it is something to consider.

Of course, as mentioned coilovers expose you to pretty much any ride height and rate you desire...within reason.

Re: Springs

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:02 pm
by my8950
Choochoochoo wrote:I already have a set of mc2racing springs on all corners, the rear is fine, but the fronts just arent quite where i want them to be. Are there any other options for front springs, or will i have to go with the coil over setup? Id really rather stick with the stock coil setup if possible.
I'm curious how different what you have is compared to stock, and why you don't like them.
I may be interested in what you currently have now if/when you replace them.

Re: Springs

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:20 pm
by Spaldino
my8950 wrote:
Choochoochoo wrote:I already have a set of mc2racing springs on all corners, the rear is fine, but the fronts just arent quite where i want them to be. Are there any other options for front springs, or will i have to go with the coil over setup? Id really rather stick with the stock coil setup if possible.
I'm curious how different what you have is compared to stock, and why you don't like them.
I may be interested in what you currently have now if/when you replace them.
it sounds like he has 200/lb springs up front which would be twice as stiff as stock but not as stiff as he would like.


i would suggest coilovers to OP. Having driven multiple XRs over the years I can say, without a doubt, that coilovers paired with poly bushings has been my favorite and most rewarding upgrade to date. I went with MC2's Bilstein coilovers upfront with non-coilover Bilstein rear shocks. I'm running 350lb springs with the coilovers and on Kalamazoo's garbage roads I have not once thought they were too stiff. The same goes with the Bilstein rear shocks paired with 650lb rear springs. It just feels like a planted, well damped, street performance car now. If this is how it drove from the factory our cars would be heralded as legends and our cars would be worth much more right now. I may be exaggerating a bit there... but that's how in love I am with the set up. So worth it and I think it's a steal at the current price-point.

Re: Springs

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:27 pm
by my8950
Spaldino wrote:
my8950 wrote:
Choochoochoo wrote:I already have a set of mc2racing springs on all corners, the rear is fine, but the fronts just arent quite where i want them to be. Are there any other options for front springs, or will i have to go with the coil over setup? Id really rather stick with the stock coil setup if possible.
I'm curious how different what you have is compared to stock, and why you don't like them.
I may be interested in what you currently have now if/when you replace them.
it sounds like he has 200/lb springs up front which would be twice as stiff as stock but not as stiff as he would like.
Ok...Can you chime in and let us know what you have on the rear?
Although, I am also in Michigan, so the roads are crap...That may be too stiff?
I'm just doing a streetable car, daily driven. I picked up a set of Koni yellow that will be installed with springs, once I find a set of something that will do the job for me.

Re: Springs

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:07 pm
by Spaldino
my8950 wrote:
Ok...Can you chime in and let us know what you have on the rear?
Although, I am also in Michigan, so the roads are crap...That may be too stiff?
I'm just doing a streetable car, daily driven. I picked up a set of Koni yellow that will be installed with springs, once I find a set of something that will do the job for me.
I was editing my post to include the rear setup while you posted. I figured more information would be wanted and it made sense to have the entire picture.

For a more detailed picture: I picked up my rear springs from SvoSierra because he didn't like how stiff the 650s were with his Konis (I believe he has Konis atleast...). He lives on the other side of town from me and drives some of the same roads I do. I personally love the 650s paired with the Bilsteins. I think he ended up with 450lb rears... what I'm getting at is a decent chunk of setting up suspension and choosing spring rates and whatnot is personal preference. I recently picked up an early model hatch and a hood from someone else on here that was running the same spring rates as me and he also loved the setup.


based on how my car feels, if you're going to only drive it on the street with some spirited driving here and there you couldn't go wrong with 300 front/500 rear. Still much more firm than stock but should be compliant enough to not feel harsh ever, especially if you aren't going with poly bushings. I am by no means an expert and someone like John V or the guys at MC2 would be able to give you fantastic advice. I've spoken to Grayson a few times through email and he has always responded to my emails way faster than I think someone should in that scenario, haha.

Re: Springs

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:51 pm
by Choochoochoo
my8950 wrote:
Choochoochoo wrote:I already have a set of mc2racing springs on all corners, the rear is fine, but the fronts just arent quite where i want them to be. Are there any other options for front springs, or will i have to go with the coil over setup? Id really rather stick with the stock coil setup if possible.
I'm curious how different what you have is compared to stock, and why you don't like them.
I may be interested in what you currently have now if/when you replace them.

The fronts are 200lb and the rears i believe are 550lb, id have to double check. They are a MASSIVE improvement over the stock springs, but just not quite enough for what im looking for. The ride is nice, but id like a little stiffer spring on all four corners. They handle everything very nicely, just want a little more.

Re: Springs

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:17 am
by my8950
Choochoochoo wrote:
my8950 wrote:
Choochoochoo wrote:I already have a set of mc2racing springs on all corners, the rear is fine, but the fronts just arent quite where i want them to be. Are there any other options for front springs, or will i have to go with the coil over setup? Id really rather stick with the stock coil setup if possible.
I'm curious how different what you have is compared to stock, and why you don't like them.
I may be interested in what you currently have now if/when you replace them.

The fronts are 200lb and the rears i believe are 550lb, id have to double check. They are a MASSIVE improvement over the stock springs, but just not quite enough for what im looking for. The ride is nice, but id like a little stiffer spring on all four corners. They handle everything very nicely, just want a little more.
Let me know....I don't want super stiff/aggressive quality. I'm looking for something more than stock though.
Also, are these a specific rate or progressive spring?
I wouldn't be able to do specific rate.

Re: Springs

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 2:00 pm
by Spaldino
Choochoochoo wrote:
my8950 wrote:
Choochoochoo wrote:I already have a set of mc2racing springs on all corners, the rear is fine, but the fronts just arent quite where i want them to be. Are there any other options for front springs, or will i have to go with the coil over setup? Id really rather stick with the stock coil setup if possible.
I'm curious how different what you have is compared to stock, and why you don't like them.
I may be interested in what you currently have now if/when you replace them.

The fronts are 200lb and the rears i believe are 550lb, id have to double check. They are a MASSIVE improvement over the stock springs, but just not quite enough for what im looking for. The ride is nice, but id like a little stiffer spring on all four corners. They handle everything very nicely, just want a little more.
definitely go with 350 front, 650 rear. if you look on MC2's site that is a recommended setup for street/track and it is a very good setup. i mean it's more than just springs but if you have Koni's/Bilsteins/any other damper that is comparable that would be perfect for you.

Re: Springs

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 2:16 pm
by thesameguy
I am very happy with my 350/650 setup, but this is a BIG step up from stock. I'm sure the 215/45-17s aren't helping, but it's a rough ride on bad streets. Absolutely worth it when the roads smooth out, and 10-ish years later I still have the same springs, but it's nothing approximating a stock ride.