Accidentally shortened Steering Shaft

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Accidentally shortened Steering Shaft

Post by DPDISXR4Ti » Mon May 07, 2018 10:18 pm

Finally got around to installing the steering shaft firewall bearing tonight. Took longer than anticipated as I had to remove the brake/clutch pedal to get clearance to drill the two holes. Got it done, used a little force to push the bushing on the shaft into the newly mounted bearing. In doing so I believe I collapsed the telescoping shaft a bit as it's now shorter and doesn't make full overlap on the triangular fitting. Has this happened to anyone else?

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Re: Accidentally shortened Steering Shaft

Post by John Brennan » Tue May 08, 2018 12:43 am

Wow, that's crazy... I remember having to bear down a bit to fully seat the bearing on the shaft-- outstanding upgrade, BTW, everyone should do it, really makes a huge difference you will notice immediately-- but it just seems to me that as this is kind of a crash thing, you've likely pooched it. I don't think you'd want to try and stretch it back out or anything. I think you might want to replace it.
Check me on that; maybe someone else could confirm or deny...
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Re: Accidentally shortened Steering Shaft

Post by DPDISXR4Ti » Tue May 08, 2018 8:12 am

It took me a bit to figure out what must have happened John. And yes, I agree, it's a crash thing to have the steering shaft built that way so that it "telescopes" on impact. Best I can figure, the outer case is interference-fit over the inner triangular rod. So I think if I can just pull it back out some -maybe a 1/2" - I should be fine. I'm thinking if I can grab the inner rod with my giant Vise-grips and then hit with a hammer, I may be able to do what I need to do. Else, I need to take it out and work it with a slide-hammer.

FWIW, this is a Scorpio column in a XR, but in this regard I think they are both the same.
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Re: Accidentally shortened Steering Shaft

Post by John Brennan » Tue May 08, 2018 8:25 am

Yeah, that should be fine. I had forgotten that you had the Scorpio shaft in there. At least it's not one of those lattice-like shafts which would actually deform.
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Re: Accidentally shortened Steering Shaft

Post by hEaT » Tue May 08, 2018 8:44 am

John Brennan wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 12:43 am
outstanding upgrade, BTW, everyone should do it, really makes a huge difference you will notice immediately--
Could either of you expand on this? Haven't been around the forum much.
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Re: Accidentally shortened Steering Shaft

Post by DPDISXR4Ti » Tue May 08, 2018 9:37 am

hEaT wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 8:44 am
Could either of you expand on this? Haven't been around the forum much.
See the pics in my first post of the bearing installed. It replaces the stock plastic/rubber bushing. The biggest hassle of installing it is the fact that the pedal cluster needs to be removed to drill the holes for the bearing. Not a huge deal, just a little more time consuming than planned. Ideally I would have done this when the car was totally disassembled, but such is life.
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Re: Accidentally shortened Steering Shaft

Post by John Brennan » Tue May 08, 2018 9:57 am

DPDISXR4Ti wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 9:37 am
hEaT wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 8:44 am
Could either of you expand on this? Haven't been around the forum much.
See the pics in my first post of the bearing installed. It replaces the stock plastic/rubber bushing. The biggest hassle of installing it is the fact that the pedal cluster needs to be removed to drill the holes for the bearing. Not a huge deal, just a little more time consuming than planned. Ideally I would have done this when the car was totally disassembled, but such is life.
I used a really long drill bit I happened to have, and the pedals didn't need to be removed. One might be able to accomplish the same thing with an extension.
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Re: Accidentally shortened Steering Shaft

Post by Ed Lijewski » Tue May 08, 2018 10:52 am

[quote=DPDISXR4Ti post_id=296512 time=1525781561 user_id=9

So I think if I can just pull it back out some -maybe a 1/2" - I should be fine. I'm thinking if I can grab the inner rod with my giant Vise-grips and then hit with a hammer, I may be able to do what I need to do. Else, I need to take it out and work it with a slide-hammer.
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I'd try levering it out. Use whatever needed to serve as a levering base as close to the end of the outer edge, then pry with the tip of a longish, tpry bar. Increase length of levering base as needed.

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Re: Accidentally shortened Steering Shaft

Post by Ed Lijewski » Tue May 08, 2018 10:56 am

hEaT wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 8:44 am
John Brennan wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 12:43 am
outstanding upgrade, BTW, everyone should do it, really makes a huge difference you will notice immediately--
Could either of you expand on this? Haven't been around the forum much.
It just removes the little bit of "give" in the column when moved radially in any direction. (Hardly noticeable IMO.)

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Re: Accidentally shortened Steering Shaft

Post by John Brennan » Tue May 08, 2018 11:26 am

Ed Lijewski wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 10:56 am
hEaT wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 8:44 am
John Brennan wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 12:43 am
outstanding upgrade, BTW, everyone should do it, really makes a huge difference you will notice immediately--
Could either of you expand on this? Haven't been around the forum much.
It just removes the little bit of "give" in the column when moved radially in any direction. (Hardly noticeable IMO.)

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Have you done it?
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Re: Accidentally shortened Steering Shaft

Post by Esteban » Tue May 08, 2018 11:37 am

Pedal box doesnt have to come out to drill the 2 holes. But it depends on your bit and drill I guess. To anyone that I've sold a kit to, message me if you need installation help. Brad is the first I've heard run into this issue but we want to prevent it for anyone else.

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Re: Accidentally shortened Steering Shaft

Post by Ed Lijewski » Tue May 08, 2018 12:53 pm

John Brennan wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 11:26 am
Ed Lijewski wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 10:56 am
hEaT wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 8:44 am


Could either of you expand on this? Haven't been around the forum much.
It just removes the little bit of "give" in the column when moved radially in any direction. (Hardly noticeable IMO.)

YMMV
Have you done it?
I considered it, felt/tested existing radial slop, determined not worth my time and effort to replace. YMMV. In past months replaced struts and shocks on two XRs and a Scorpio, plus fair amount of other normal maintenance on each -->> worthwhile expenditure of time and $. IMO.

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Re: Accidentally shortened Steering Shaft

Post by John Brennan » Tue May 08, 2018 1:23 pm

Ed Lijewski wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 12:53 pm
John Brennan wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 11:26 am
Ed Lijewski wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 10:56 am


It just removes the little bit of "give" in the column when moved radially in any direction. (Hardly noticeable IMO.)

YMMV
Have you done it?
I considered it, felt/tested existing radial slop, determined not worth my time and effort to replace. YMMV. In past months replaced struts and shocks on two XRs and a Scorpio, plus fair amount of other normal maintenance on each -->> worthwhile expenditure of time and $. IMO.

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Yeah, didn't think so... in fact, the difference in both feeling and movement is quite significant; after all, you're replacing a rubber bushing with a bearing at the end of a pretty long lever. Nevertheless, you can't resist criticizing something you haven't done, know nothing about, and which at least one of our members went through a bit of effort to make availble to the rest of us. This is a very modest investment in both money and effort, and for a very satisfying return.
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Re: Accidentally shortened Steering Shaft

Post by hEaT » Tue May 08, 2018 1:39 pm

Thanks for the background on this. Looks easy enough to do...adding it to my LONG list of things to do this year :)
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Re: Accidentally shortened Steering Shaft

Post by DPDISXR4Ti » Tue May 08, 2018 4:31 pm

Fixed! There's a teflon (?) liner which pulls out with the shaft a bit, about a 1/2" past the end of the outer sleeve. I'm not sure if that was pulled out like that before, but it's fine.
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For anyone who's interested, here's the 2-part bushing which is replaced.
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