Duratec 2.3 engine swap

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Duratec 2.3 engine swap

Post by RatFink » Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:33 pm

Simple drop in? I think not. I finally got some time to work on my project and here is what I found. The factory oil pan interferes with fitment. specifically the oil pump and pickup. This engine is tall. with the pan off and pickup removed I was able to fit it under the hood. I will be cutting the pan and fabricating a new pickup. The oil pump is visible in the first pick poking out of the block directly above the steering rack.
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this second picture is the back of the head and the firewall.
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Post by DPDISXR4Ti » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:35 pm

Nice to see someone take the initiative and dump a Duratec into the engine bay. I see the word "Focus" on that
engine - is it a 2.3 out of a Focus ST? Maybe all you need is the pan and pick-up out of a Ranger?

Are you planning on getting the T5 bell from Quad4?
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Post by janvanv » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:58 pm

DPDISXR4Ti wrote:Nice to see someone take the initiative and dump a Duratec into the engine bay. I see the word "Focus" on that
engine - is it a 2.3 out of a Focus ST? Maybe all you need is the pan and pick-up out of a Ranger?

Are you planning on getting the T5 bell from Quad4?
Thanks, good to see nice words about trying to do something even if it was nearly 4 years ago and itrs only been posted here maybe 2 or 4 times.
Didn't have a digital camera then but I seem to recall a better fit with the sump on.
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Post by RatFink » Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:19 am

Are you planning on getting the T5 bell from Quad4?
It's on the floor of my living room. :D

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Post by BeefFajitas » Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:58 am

What motor mounts are you using? Can you raise the engine up?
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Post by anglin » Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:21 am

janvanv wrote:Thanks, good to see nice words about trying to do something even ... and itrs only been posted here maybe 2 or 4 times.
Link or STFU. :o

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Post by DPDISXR4Ti » Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:54 am

anglin wrote:
janvanv wrote:Thanks, good to see nice words about trying to do something even ... and itrs only been posted here maybe 2 or 4 times.
Link or STFU. :o
Hell, if the project was started four years ago, certainly someone with a bazillion years of experience actually working
on cars would have finished it by now. No doubt, there should be several videos of it, but I just can't seem to find them
on this Interweb thing. :dunno
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Post by Rocky Leitch » Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:22 am

Thanks for the photo's of your project, Ratfink.
Some questions from me; looking at the whole shot
of the engine bay, can the engine be moved forward to
accept the modifications that you need to do? Are you planning
to put a Turbo on it in the future? And something my guy pointed out,
where does the water return sit?
I know guys, I'm not a self-wrencher. That is why all of you are
my ace in the back pocket so to speak.


:D


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Post by SoKalXR » Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:27 am

So What do we have to do to get this project back on path? I noticed that you live in San Ber too! I'm in So Cal as well and would love to come check out what you've got done!

Also, are you going to put a Mazda Head on it and turbo that bad boy or what?

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Post by janvanv » Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:23 pm

anglin wrote:
janvanv wrote:Thanks, good to see nice words about trying to do something even ... and itrs only been posted here maybe 2 or 4 times.
Link or STFU. :o
Fawk you.:D
And STFU :D
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Post by janvanv » Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:35 pm

DPDISXR4Ti wrote:
anglin wrote:
janvanv wrote:Thanks, good to see nice words about trying to do something even ... and itrs only been posted here maybe 2 or 4 times.
Link or STFU. :o
Hell, if the project was started four years ago, certainly someone with a bazillion years of experience actually working
on cars would have finished it by now. No doubt, there should be several videos of it, but I just can't seem to find them
on this Interweb thing. :dunno
No you misundertand, but at least you're not an obnoxious prick about it presuming that every agonizing detail of everything one does must be recorded AND linked on the Intra-web to have any use, validity or truth.

When I recieved a Full Duratec for another project, the first thing I did, and I've posted this in the past several times so I guess i could say SEARCH NOOBS, was to strip the motor, bang the sump back on (it was rwd Ranger motor) and with the assitance of Scott Koch, one of the boys building a rally car here, we lifted in the block/sump and checked the positioning.
We blocked it up and dropped the hean and cam cover on and looked around.

Looked like an easy deal.

It went into a Capri in the end.

Sop when you said "Nice to see someone take the initiative and dump a Duratec into the engine bay." I was just (obviously I thought) poking fun since I already "dumped" one in years ago. Indeed, been on the look out for a core RWD motor for quite a while and fellow PNW Xr guy and neighbor "Frag" just called on Wednesday to say theres a pick up t our local favorite yard with a Duratec.

See? We've been looking at these a LONG time.
(The Duratec in the Capri was normal aspirated for rally, and the normal stuff i do: forged H beam rods, CP forged pistons, wicked cams from Kent, steel flywheel etc.
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Post by RatFink » Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:52 pm

What motor mounts are you using? Can you raise the engine up?
I am fabricating custom mounts, So it can go anywhere. The problem is hood clearance. See pick...
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So What do we have to do to get this project back on path?
Wait for November for the racing season to come to an end, then I should have some more time.
looking at the whole shot
of the engine bay, can the engine be moved forward to
accept the modifications that you need to do? Are you planning
to put a Turbo on it in the future? And something my guy pointed out,
where does the water return sit?
Moving the engine forward could be an option, but not one I am willing to take. I would still have to fab a pickup and cut the pan. Plus it moves the weight the wrong way. I already have a Garret gt28 ready when I get around to welding up a manifold. You can see where the water exits the back of the head (up agenst the firewall) in the second picture. Not a big issue for me.

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Post by Rocky Leitch » Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:11 am

Thanks for the response.

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Post by fastmaul » Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:52 am

Nice work,
I think I have pics of when Phil at PM Motorsports was/is working on one I think last couple years. Why isn't it finished? Well, he can only work as fast as the customer pays.
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Post by janvanv » Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:38 am

To the original poster:
What you going to do for RODS, PISTONS, and FLYWHEEL?
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