Merkur front hubs with Volkswagen struts

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Merkur front hubs with Volkswagen struts

Post by thedrill » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:42 pm

I came across some VW struts at work and thought they looked similar dimensions to the merkur Xr4ti strut, I needed to change out my blown front struts so off I went to the machine shop to get the front hubs bored out by 3mm.. The reason I did this is because You can get a vast number of aftermarket struts for the VW and are a lot less money than the ones for the Xr4ti.
I will be cutting the perches off so I can fit coilovers.

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Post by thebronze » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:28 pm

Good find....keep us updated :wink:
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Post by thedrill » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:22 am

thebronze wrote:Good find....keep us updated :wink:
Will do!! :D
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Post by DPDISXR4Ti » Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:20 am

Nice work - BTW, I embedded the pics for you. Couple questions....

1) What is the diameter of the stub-end? Just wondering if it might fit into a Scorpio spindle as-is.

2) Have you compared the overall length to the XR strut?

3) I presume the threaded portion of the shaft is the same, so all the stock upper bearing stuff works, yes?

4) What is the VW application?
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Post by thedrill » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:59 am

DPDISXR4Ti wrote:Nice work - BTW, I embedded the pics for you. Couple questions....

1) What is the diameter of the stub-end? Just wondering if it might fit into a Scorpio spindle as-is.

2) Have you compared the overall length to the XR strut?

3) I presume the threaded portion of the shaft is the same, so all the stock upper bearing stuff works, yes?

4) What is the VW application?
1: 49.65mm

2: very close to stock size, and the perch is angled slightly higher for bigger tyres.

3: strut threaded portion is bigger @ 13mm and the shaft is also bigger at 7/8" , so you need the VW bearing at 3.50 each and redrill the spring plates.

4: Beetle , golf and jetta 98-2006.. so there are lots of choices of strut manufacturers.
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Post by DPDISXR4Ti » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:17 pm

thedrill wrote: 1: 49.65mm
Close - Scorpio knuckle measures 51mm (FWIW, XR is 45.4mm). Thought for second "maybe", but that's too much to make up by trying to clamp the pinch fitting down. Could probably get ghetto-creative though and make up the difference with some roof flashing. :twisted:
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Post by thedrill » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:27 pm

DPDISXR4Ti wrote:
thedrill wrote: 1: 49.65mm
Close - Scorpio knuckle measures 51mm (FWIW, XR is 45.4mm). Thought for second "maybe", but that's too much to make up by trying to clamp the pinch fitting down. Could probably get ghetto-creative though and make up the difference with some roof flashing. :twisted:
I went looking around the scrapyards measuring struts, the next size front struts were escort, contour and taurus @ 51mm.

I bought some complete 2002 beetle front struts with springs today and fitted the XR4ti top cap on .. just need to get the weight back on the car to see how they sit.. the coils are certainly fatter.. so it may be too high.. I will find out tomorrow.
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Post by nathankershaw » Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:55 pm

Ahh
Those were the hubs you were machining on Monday.
I'm intrigued!
I might see you on Monday.
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Post by thedrill » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:17 pm

nathankershaw wrote:Ahh
Those were the hubs you were machining on Monday.
I'm intrigued!
I might see you on Monday.
The very same mate, They are now on the car and are working well!!

# Beetle struts and springs give the correct ride height too#

Front end of the car is definately firmer and is a lot flatter in the corners.

See you monday mate.
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Post by DSPXR4ti » Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:44 pm

thedrill wrote:
DPDISXR4Ti wrote:Nice work - BTW, I embedded the pics for you. Couple questions....

1) What is the diameter of the stub-end? Just wondering if it might fit into a Scorpio spindle as-is.

2) Have you compared the overall length to the XR strut?

3) I presume the threaded portion of the shaft is the same, so all the stock upper bearing stuff works, yes?

4) What is the VW application?
1: 49.65mm

2: very close to stock size, and the perch is angled slightly higher for bigger tyres.

3: strut threaded portion is bigger @ 13mm and the shaft is also bigger at 7/8" , so you need the VW bearing at 3.50 each and redrill the spring plates.

4: Beetle , golf and jetta 98-2006.. so there are lots of choices of strut manufacturers.
Russ,

You are the man, because of this find I got a set of Moton Club-sport double adjustable struts, I can't wait to get them 8 week wait.

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Post by thedrill » Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:57 pm

Glad to be of help mate. :D
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Post by jkxr4ti » Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:22 pm

Are these still working well for you? Any more updates on the conversion specifically on the upper strut mount.
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Post by thedrill » Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:40 am

Yes they are still on the car, I used the merkur upper mount and top plate, but re-drilled them both to suit the VW strut diameter.. and used the VW rotator / bearing.
The stock beetle struts and springs are an improvement over the original merkur front struts, but would be a lot better with the HD touring Bilsteins.
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Post by 85merwhat? » Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:52 pm

I am able to get this kit fairly cheap and was wondering if it is worth it if I decided to go this route. Obviously I wouldnt need the rear stuff but these are monotube Bilsteins. Also I am wondering what else I would need mount wise. Thanks.

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Post by DSPXR4ti » Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:37 pm

85merwhat? wrote:I am able to get this kit fairly cheap and was wondering if it is worth it if I decided to go this route. Obviously I wouldnt need the rear stuff but these are monotube Bilsteins. Also I am wondering what else I would need mount wise. Thanks.

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Why wouldn't you use the rear shocks, really the only thing you would have to worry about is the exlength and if it's to short get the shock extensions and the shock body length, you can buy the shock ends to fit the XR4ti, works great, go look at www.daymotorsports.com.

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