88 Scorpio

[my8950]

I love/LOVE it when the stale old and easy predictions by lazy diagnosticians and their proscriptions (stale gas/crud in the tank pump/drop the tank) prove to be wrong.

What are you talking about? Is it not the case that the pump was not working and needed to be pulled out?

Pump seemed to be working fine, what I forgot to mention is the supply hose from pump to rail had turned into some weird sort of organism. We've all seen it repeatedly that this hose on many vehicles tears or fails, that was definitely the case here, but not totally confirmed just yet since we haven't started engine with new pump installed so far.

[brokencase]

"the supply hose from pump to rail had turned into some weird sort of organism"

Otherwise known as "crud"!

[my8950]

Hose was replaced, pump is in the tank, and tank is in the car and runs good.
Put it in gear and runs through each on jacks, forward and reverse.
Probably take it off jackstands tomorrow and take it for a drive and see what happens.

[brokencase]

I'm excited. I am also envious as I suspect you have a well heated garage to work in.

The congealed hose makes me wonder when I will have to tackle this job. I am also around 90K miles.

Certainly age has much to do about this but rubber often deteriorates with exposure to oxygen in the air. Or is it because of the ethanol in contemporary fuel that is the issue? Either way I'm sure the newer "in tank" fuel line addresses the issue.

Looking at you photo, it looks as though you fabricated a 1/4" metal "S" pipe?

[my8950]

I'm excited. I am also envious as I suspect you have a well heated garage to work in.

The congealed hose makes me wonder when I will have to tackle this job. I am also around 90K miles.

Certainly age has much to do about this but rubber often deteriorates with exposure to oxygen in the air. Or is it because of the ethanol in contemporary fuel that is the issue? Either way I'm sure the newer "in tank" fuel line addresses the issue.

Looking at you photo, it looks as though you fabricated a 1/4" metal "S" pipe?

Correct, we changed the rubber hose on the fuel pump hanger, my Dad got some new tech type submersible fuel hose, so it wasn't cheap, maybe $30 a foot or something, but that's just the cost of doing business, and the one foot was enough to do two cars since he also made the steel tubing and just used the rubber to connect it.
Yes, there is steel tubing, I am not sure if 1/4" or 5/16", I believe the rubber is 5/16". He did the same with the previous Scorpio, as well as fuel lines from the tank to the engine, and brake lines.

Edit, car on the ground and moves on it own...
Now to just go on to the next steps of trivial issues that show up, and clean it up.

[DPDISXR4Ti]

Edit, car on the ground and moves on it own...

Awesome!

Isn't it great working on rust-free cars!?

[Ed Lijewski]

Don't see a filter on either pump. If you still have the old filter can you post a photo of it?

Also curious if Dan had a bubble flare tool to use in fabricating caliper connections? (I doubt he'd ever need one for making brake lines on older US autos.)

YMMV

[my8950]

Don't see a filter on either pump. If you still have the old filter can you post a photo of it?

Also curious if Dan had a bubble flare tool to use in fabricating caliper connections? (I doubt he'd ever need one for making brake lines on older US autos.)

YMMV

IMG 7645 has the sock filter on the end of the pump. New filter in the line under the car as well as of now.
Brake flare tool is the same tool for doing a handful of different flares. XR/Scorpio use a different type of flare that "typical" cars.
Many projects that come through the shop end up with new fuel lines and brake lines, probably 50%, at least on their first trip through.
This is a basic step of cars that come here, I've had this for XX years and doesn't run on move on its own. So it gets brakes, hardware, lines if needed, same with fuel lines, as they usually run almost right next to brakes.

I'm gonna fix it one day!!!

[brokencase]

I broke down and bought one of these to flare the brake lines on the Triumph I am restoring:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/165996112065

It is more expensive now, but at the time I paid about $80 for it.

It is intended to be mounted on a work bench. But I was able to clamp it in a Black and Decker Workmate.

Makes brake line work a breeze.

[Ed Lijewski]

Dan probably has a similar multi flare tool, I'm guessing. Makes sense to have such a tool when doing multiple lines.

As XRs use bubble flared connections to rear brake cylinders---that's all I've ever had to replace--I assumed Scorpio calipers also use that flare at brake connections. My understanding is Germans (other Europeans?) use bubble flares at those points to assure max fluid pressure at those end points.

Pic or link to your Workmate? I have an older Workmate, but I doubt it would be steady enough to use it as you did.

YMMV

[Ed Lijewski]

Noah:

Can you describe the condition of the original sock/pump filter?

YMMV

[brokencase]

Workmate looks like this one.
https://www.mcguckin.com/2766254/produc ... cker-WM225

I don't know why UK/Europe uses bubble flares. Wish they were the same everywhere.

[my8950]

Noah:

Can you describe the condition of the original sock/pump filter?

YMMV

FYI

[my8950]

"the supply hose from pump to rail had turned into some weird sort of organism"

Otherwise known as "crud"!

original hose in fuel tank

[Ed Lijewski]

Thanks.

Original sock filter looks decent = crudless. I suspect Scorpio tanks are better able to prevent gas from deteriorating as the EVAP system is solenoid controlled by the ECU. The XR EVAP system is easily opened to atmosphere when the paper hose from the charcoal canister to the airbox slips off or disintegrates, and the XR is parked undriven for a long period. As long as the Scorpio gas tank cap is on tight the gas in the tank is stabilized (in terms of volatility).

YMMV